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When the paper that fiat is printed on loses all value and people abandon the central bank mess of this era we will talk again. A study of Greece, Zimbabwe and Venezuela will give you some hint of what is happening to countries that borrow and print like there is no tomorrow. America is also one of the guilty parties

So that is the same as rocking up at the JSE's front door with the silver and bronze coins you found in your couch. Given your 200 000 satoshi is worth about R150 in USD it is not considered money it is only $11. You probably picked the wrong exchange. I am using bittrex to trade some altcoins and I have not noticed any minimum amounts. Recently bought $50 worth of ripple. Bite the bullet, buy some more BTC (transfer it there) then trade for your ETH. The fee for a transfer is normally in the region of R2-R5 when there are not a lot of transactions. Not sure if this might be fixed on the exchange. Or ask a buddy to transfer his BTC there so you can get it out. Asking on a forum with 1 post, there is no way anyone is going to loan you their BTC wich is worth about $45. Ask yourself would you send me your login details so I can get your money out? Yep, though so

The problem is not fractional ownership, the problem is that the latest price is simply the last sold price no matter how small the fraction. Which is not true. If a Pizza costs R80 and I slice it in 8, then proceed to sell 8 pieces, first ones at R12 each, people just want a slice and not prepared to buy the whole pizza, then some more at R8 since the got cold but cold pizza is still ok, but the last one I was planning to eat myself but my colleague offer me @R20 for it, he forgot lunch. The exchanges would price a pizza now at R160 (R20 * 8 slices), and everyone should be paying R160 for a pizza. Total money in my pocket = R100 (R80 base cost + R20 profit). Tomorrow when I go to the shop, they looked at the price on the exchange and now everyone is paying R160 for a pizza. The price should in fact be no more than R100 per pizza. Soon we are all buying Pizza since it is the best way to preserve your money, but the price calculation is flawed.

My first post to this forum: Disclaimer: I own some BTC, not a lot, but enough to pay for an overseas holiday (if the price does not dive while I am typing this). Not sitting on the sidelines. I am a programmer and work in the financial (investment) industry. My biggest problem with BTC ->The price has been fluctuating wildly simply because the way exchange pricing is done is flawed. Let me explain: Let me compare this to buying a share like NPN (Naspers) I buy a share, there is no half, or fraction shares, you either buy a whole one or nothing. If you sell you also sell the whole thing. Now if I could buy small fractions I could manipulate the price up (or down) with small trades with rather low risk to myself(little money). You tend to see people manipulating penny stocks like this. BTC is priced as a whole but the price is given as the last fraction that was sold. And people get to sell/buy a very small fraction, up to 8 decimals, so you are allowed to buy 1/100000000, once a sale is made that is the "new price". So with lots of little trades the price can be manipulated up or down. The latest price should be calculated as the pro-rata average price (weighted average) of the last complete bitcoin sold. Eg. Let us assume 4 trades in this order (if theory this could be 1000 trades, the same idea would hold) 1/10 at $5000 4/10 at $4500 4/10 at $4000 1/10 at $3500 The current exchanges will list the price as $3500 (And everyone will panic and sell accordingly) The price should be listed as 1/10 * 5000 + 4/10 * 4500 + 4/10 * 4000 + 1/10 * $3500 = $4250 (A small fraction bought/sold should have almost no movement on the price) Exchanges should at least have a rolling average for each complete bitcoin sold. The current model of pricing is driving the wild fluctuations, rendering the use of bitcoins useless since people would not spend it. It only serves the exchanges' greed since it leads to lots of trades (lots of panic selling). I would love to hear some other input from people that understand how this works