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Good day all, Our questions 1) If we need R50k a month to survive when we retire how much do we need to have invested in total ? 2) If the South African government implemented prescribed investments would it affect any investments which are not RA's ? Any input would be greatly appreciated. Have a great weekend all. Sideways

While there is certainly merit to the argument that on average, in the long run, passive investments perform at least as well as, if not better, than actively managed investments, the funds in which Momentum has invested your money (ie. Allan Gray, Coronation, Investec etc) have had phenomenal performance since their inception, and they are certainly not just your average actively managed funds. These funds are among the best South Africa has to offer with returns beating the benchmark year after year. Also remember that offshore has its (important) cons as well as its merits. While offshore investments may serve as a Rand hedge, they simply cannot keep up with our inflation. Even with the annual average 4% drop in the Rand, the 2-4% growth typical of global growth, even when combined with Rand depreciation, does not usually beat South Africa's 6.5 - 8% inflation. South African markets do tend to perform a few percent higher than inflation though, and I'm pretty sure that if you look at your Momentum fund returns, you're probably close to 11% annual return over the past 10 years after the 2% costs have been deducted, even though the market has been flat. In every/any chosen period longer than 10 years (10-years, 15 years etc) South African investments have beaten the offshore average, even when compounded with Rand depreciation. I'm wary of moving too much money offshore. Consensus at the moment is that 30-40% of your money offshore presents the optimal risk to reward ratio. Also bear in mind that 30 -35% of your Momentum fund is already invested offshore. If it were me, I'd keep the bulk of the money with Momentum. Especially since you're 55, the actively managed approach, which switches between bonds, stocks and cash as the market fluctuates, decreases your risk significantly. The good thing about managed funds is that they limit the downside, while they may underperform passive investments slightly during strong bull markets. At 55, preserving your wealth is definitely more important than high-risk growth. So yes, I personally do believe that moving your Momentum investment to passive investments would be a mistake in your case. If it were me, I'd keep the R5.5M right where it is! (The extra R2M is only a quarter of your portfolio so it seems a reasonable amount to put in the higher risk passive funds as you have done.)

I own unit trusts only in the form of pension and RAs. RA - Allan Gray Balanced Fund Pension - 10X Kicked Stanlib to the curb but it had more to do with getting away from my financial advisors hold on it. Didn't understand their pricing at all. Very happy with what I have currently

Definitely not 4Sight [emoji23]

Just thought I would put this out there....I have a Telegram chat channel where we talk about bitcoin mostly, as well as other cryptocurrencies. If you want to ask a specific question, or would like to just chat casually about bitcoin / crypto with other people in South Africa, check it out. The channel is informal, and it is not a trading signals channel or anything really technical. Its mainly for casual chat about crypto. If you are on telegram, come and visit! https://t.me/bitcoinzarchat

So regarding the new NewFunds Volatility Managed ETFs (I might be a bit late to the party): NFEDEF - Defensive http://etfcib.absa.co.za/products/Exchange Traded Funds/equity/VolatilityManagedDefensiveEquityETF/Pages/default.aspx NFEMOD - Moderate Equity http://etfcib.absa.co.za/products/Exchange Traded Funds/equity/VolatilityManagedModerateEquityETF/Pages/default.aspx NFEHGE - High Growth Equity http://etfcib.absa.co.za/products/Exchange Traded Funds/equity/VolatilityManagedHighGrowthEquityETF/Pages/default.aspx Sounds "cool" but looking at the annualised returns over 5 years (NFEDEF: 5.1%, NFEMOD: 6.8%, NFEHGE: 6.2%) I have to ask myself why I wouldn't play it save with a 32 day account at 6.95% or any of the various other guaranteed return vehicles offering better returns ?

For a while now I've been asking the question: "What percentage of my TFIA ETFs should be in 'foreign' indices?" Some people will immediately say "Put everything in foreign indices - the Rand is going to collapse or South Africa is going to be downgraded to junk" etc. And yet, the experts will typically tell you to put only 30% to 40% in foreign ETFs and the rest in local indices. So I've done a ton of study to find out why and the results surprised me - so much so that I have now changed the desired weightings of my TFIA ETF portfolio to allocate a greater percentage to local ETFs. Here's the thing. On the one hand, the Rand depreciates on average by 4% per year against the Dollar, and has pretty much done so since the time of Adam and Eve. Therefore, by buying ETFs of foreign indices, you are 'guaranteed' a 4% gain on your investment due to the weakening Rand. Now, on the other hand, let's look at foreign growth and interest on bonds, for example, where a 3% above-inflation is considered a good investment. Let's take England as an example. With its inflation close to 0%, a 3% return on an English investment would be considered "good." So if you had invested in an "England ETF, you would, by way of illustration, get your 0% inflation plus 3% return plus your 4% due to Rand depreciation, a total return of 7%. However, locally, it is South Africa's high inflation that makes it ideal for investment, which at first may seem counter-intuitive. Interest-bearing investments such as bonds and preference shares may also typically return inflation plus 3% - so with our 6% inflation, that gives a total return of 9%. And the JSE does much better than just inflation plus 3%! The other countries (outside of emerging markets) just don't have our inflation and therefore don't have the growth that the JSE index does. This is also why emerging markets are expected to give higher returns than developed markets in the long term. Secondly, putting more than say 40% in foreign indices means you are no longer diversified in the sense that if the Rands strengthens significantly, your portfolio collapses (and historically, it is highly unlikely to average a drop of more than 4% per year). On the other hand, the JSE index is not affected by the Rand in the same way, so whether the Rand drops or climbs, you're still guaranteed your above inflation growth on your local index ETFs. So betting too much on foreign indices is, in essence, going for a higher risk, but with lower returns, the exact opposite of what we should be doing. Of the academic studies I've read, most put the optimal risk-to-reward ratio for investing at 60% local and 40% foreign ETFs, and often support this with models. But now I finally understand why my previous 50% : 50% local : foreign split was considered high risk.

The JSE and Msci Emerging markets index are highly correlated and emerging market index outperformed local equities the last 5 years. I would change the local exposure to STXEMG only. Less risk for similar performance and no "if" the local market bounces back scenarios...

In light of the above, I have changed my target TFIA ETF ratios to be 60% local and 40% foreign indices and my new target TFIA portfolio looks as follows: LOCAL (60%): Local equities: CTOP50: 10% DIVTRX: 10% NFEMOM: 10% STXQUA: 10% Local property: PTXTEN: 20% FOREIGN (40%): Foreign equities: ASHGEQ: 7.5% GLODIV: 7.5% STXEMG: 7.5% SYG4IR: 7.5% Foreign property: GLPROP: 10%

I've been tracking the amount of money I spend on my cats for the past 3 or so years now and thought it might make for a cool thread. Do any of you own pets? Do you budget for your pets? How much do you spend on your pet(s) in a month? We have 3 cats (Lilly, Meow Meow and Bubbles (Full name Hollywood Luxury Bubbles)) initially I fed them Hills and Royal Canin and mainly wet food, but that got terribly expensive really quick. I found what appears to be great dry food at Spar, it's their home brand called Pro Balance Cat Food. The Pro Balance (Spar depending) costs R77 for a 2KG bag compared to Hills Cat Food which is R229 for a 2Kg bag and there was a time I fed them Acana which was around R450 for a 1.8Kg bag. Then I would feed some meat whenever we braai so won't add that to the calculation. The cat litter we got a great deal on through the years. We use bentonite (none lethal type) which is clamping, but it's used in construction so it's cheap as in we pay roughly R130 for a 25Kg bag which lasts 2 months between the three cat litter boxes we have. If it was not for this I do not think I would have been able to afford cats considering the traditional cat litter costs around R170 for 3Kg and it and I will probably need 3 to 4 bags a month. What does a cat cost per month: Pro Balance Cat Food R77 per bag x 2.5 ( we normally use two, but have used 3 some months). Cat Litter Bentonite 25Kg bag R130 x 1 (we try to buy one each month to be safe because it's not available when it is the rainy season (no construction sites)). Pro-Balance Cat Food Pouches R7.49 x 6 (Wet food as a treat, normally buy each cat one every now and again). Total cost per month: R367.44 Total cost per cat per month: R122.48 Other cat expenses we had: Meow Meow had to be taken to the vet for an emergency which ended up costing R400. Bubbles and Meow Meow are neutered which was R550 each (R1100 total). Lily is still a kitten. but she will also be neutered and it will be R550 as well. We had a company design a custom cat jungle for them which cost us R7004 (but worth every penny, will post pictures). Cat litter boxes x 4 which were R50 each (R200 total). Cat poop scoopers x 2 which were R25 each (R50 total). Bought Lily for R100 when she was a puny little kitten (less than a month old). Cat carriers x 2 for R300 each (R600 total), great tip: go to Plastic World, the pet shops are overpriced. Drinkwell water fountain (they loved it) which was R674. Drinking bowls, stainless steel x 3 which were R80 each (R240 total). Cat leashes/harnesses to walk them with like in the movies x 2 at R80 a pop (R160 total). Total cat expenses: R11 078 Our cats' costs R4 409.28 per year which comes down to R1 469.76 per cat per year. This is just living costs, it excludes toys and travel and vet visits. I thought as a hypothetical I would like to see if I can afford to feed my cats the ideal nutritional diet that I would want which would consist of Hills or Royal Canin using the above portions it would mean that I need to spend R774 per month or R258 per cat. That is an increase of 71.23% in my spending which means I need to increase my monthly budget for the cats by R406.56 which is possible but will be cutting it very close. I mean if I invest the difference or put the difference in a Tymebank goalsave account at 10% I would have R31 745.17 after 5 years. Suddenly that Hills diet looks a lot more expensive. Now for the fun bits Bubbles (very christmassy) Meow Meow Lily

We had a cat but found it a new home (a proper cat lady). He was bored, couldn't really go outside and tore birds apart in the home every other day. Wife's allergies didn't help either... but I kinda miss the guy Anyway, I've been wanting to get a small dog to double as an alarm but the thought of cleaning up the lawn, booking him into a kennel every time we go away for more than two days and the potential noise/complaints from neighbours in the estate just puts me off. Can get a "quiet" dog like an Italian Greyhound but... meh. So no pets for me. It silently kills me inside because I grew up in a house with many many dogs

Yes, they only listed on 22 November. Still hard to find info.

Here's the official JSE index codes (although Google Finance uses different ones): All share is J203 and the Top40 is J200.

I'm right here Ranger. With My "Snortfolio".

FTSE all share is INDEXFTSE: ASX on google finance and Top 40 I use investing.com https://za.investing.com/indices/ftse-jse-top-40-components

Bank or Pick n Pay I don't know where to get discounted airtime, I think the retailers are all full price.

We want to do some research into the consumer behavior of prepaid users. Where do you buy airtime? Do airtime discounts play a role, would you change providers if they offered a discount?

I generally buy airtime through my banking app (it's full price), would like to get discounts somewhere.

Some screenshots of google finance.

I see Google finance had a rewamp and now functions as a mobile app. I only saw this now so I'll be playing with it a bit and add my actual stocks to you. Can be really useful to get a quick glance at your portfolio, watchlist and the market as whole. It has relevant news articles in a feed as well.

Jumia to list on the NYSE, aiming to become Africa’s first tech unicorn. Active in 14 countries 4 million active users 81.000 active sellers 13.4m deliveries per year €130.6m revenue in 2018 €862m consolidated loss since inception Source: Techcrunch MTN owns a share of Jumia

Agreed... Regretting buying in the IPO... Learnt my lesson on this one

It's every investor's dream: to find a stock that doesn't just double your money – or even triple it – but increases your investment 10-fold. I decided to start this thread here, somewhere on the JSE is the next ten-bagger (+1000% return), let's try to identify it. What small cap JSE stock do you think will be the next Ten Bagger?

This post is about 2 years old anyone have a current view on investing in a 3-5 year period?

Do you have to get tax clearance first or did EE put a structure in place that takes that admin away ?

I'm actively trading them now, but I'm also thinking about buying their shares too, but I don't feel I have enough info on them yet. Maybe a Motus thread is the way to go. Here's their performance graph since their listing on 22 November 2018:

They're the Hyundai and Kia guys now, and include these dealerships. From the Rentals point of view, they run Tempest and Europcar. Here's their official website: https://www.motuscorp.co.za/

This image shows performance of Tongaat Hulett over a period of 1 week, 2 weeks, right up to 10 years. So the 1 week line shows the closing price 1 week ago, together with its move, total volume for the week and its high and low for the week. The 5 year line shows the closing price 5 years ago, the move between then and now, the total volume traded in the 5 years and the highest and lowest price during that 5 year period.

Erm... not sure. Maybe about a year ago. Definitely last year some time.

They keep posting on Twitter, but I have not seen a launch date yet. I am curious to see what Micheal and the rest ex FNB guys can come up with, TymeBank is really incredible and Capitec can adapt if they must. So is that 'unbanked' space big enough for another entrant? Bankzero will never compete in the FNB level, at least I doubt it and there Discovery Bank is going to make a dent. I am very excited about their launch and to see what they can offer and if they will enter the business banking space currently dominated by FNB.

SaurusDNA, Thanks so much for your input, its really appreciated, could I please ask for your thoughts on.... 1) If we need R50k a month to survive when we retire how much do we need to have invested in total, as I intend to retire as soon as I reach this mythical figure and I have been given many different figures ranging from 10 mill to 17 x my final annual salary and none of it makes any sense ? 2) Lastly do you have any thoughts on the South African governments possible implementation of prescribed investments and how it would it could have an affect any of the investments I listed? Here is an article you and the board may find interesting. https://www.biznews.com/sa-investing/2019/03/07/magnus-heystek-hogg-jse-optimism-sa-respectfully-differ Have a great weekend

Do we know when they are launching? I am really interested to see what they can offer to match or beat Tyme.

Good to be back! Finally managed to log in again, was having trouble for ages. When you rise fast, you drop fast too...who knows how low it will go, possibly even as low as $1000....all I know is that in time it will go back up again, and we will have new highs. My guess is that the next bear market will be when the price dumps down to the $20k mark. The next halving is getting closer, and I would expect that the price will range for a while longer before starting to pickup again running up to the halving event. Personally I just hold my main stash and dont bother trying to play the market much. The reason being that for me to cash in my main holdings on the way down, it would mean moving them to an exchange and selling, which opens up a can of worms. I expose myself in terms of how much bitcoin I have on that address and other addresses that have transacted with that address. Secondly, that can be seen as a taxable event, if I am 'cashing out', which I dont want to do right now, and thirdly, if I did cash out my main stash then I would now be sitting with a ton of cash on an exchange which I dont trust all that much. If I have to wait months to buy back in, I will be constantly worried that I have a lot of money on the exchange that is at risk. I prefer to keep my funds locked down as bitcoin, secured on my hardware wallet offline, where nobody knows that its mine. I am a reckless, but patient, and i'll wait it out a few more years before worrying about changing it back into government money. By that time, maybe I wont need to...who knows. I am still buying bitcoin....I do every month because its my long term savings plan. Now with the lower price, I just get a ton more than I was when it was closer to $20k. Win win in the long term.

Looks like they are planning to add some additional services as well. The graphic below shows the services it currently offers. Services that will only be launched at a future date are highlighted in yellow.

Hi All, Am new to this sight. I am Jhb based and was wondering if there are any Interactive Broker users out there who trade offshore, using the API? If so would like to touch base with a meet up and perhaps we could share Ideas. I am just using the Excel Interface (VBA and RTD). Had the account open for less than a month now so still getting my ducks in a row. My focus is ES futures options and Eurostox50 Index options. Busy building stuff in Excel (VBA) that interfaces with IB related to this. Cheers Brian

Just to confirm, will we be getting an equal amount of multichoice shares as we had Naspers shares?

Me too! I'm just waiting to see if they go up or down. I'm not keen on a long term investment in Multichoice (MCG) but it might be good for trading (either long or short) in the next few days as it may experience quite a bit of movement while the market decides. The CFDs have a reasonable gearing of roughly 6.5 times.

I agree. The returns on these have been worse than a simple savings account. I can't imagine the appeal or why anyone might consider buying these. At least with their Newfunds Traci 3 month ETF you know what you're going to get, and at almost zero risk. These have worse returns but with risk. I don't get it...

Well, I got my 10 free Multichoice shares today (due to the unbundling of Multichoice from Naspers). Nice when shares just appear in your account out of the blue!

What I want to know is, what percentage do they charge for intl payments, if they do. I know Capitec is free and takes 0%. FNB sucks 2.75%

I posted this graph in a post some time ago, its a year old but one can find the updated one on msci's website. I have SYGWD and STXEMG market ETF's in my portfolio with equal weighting. This makes me sleep well at night!

It helps to think of TFSAs as an initiative by government to get the poorer middle class to save and we the "rich" are misusing it ? Country is already strapped for cash so I doubt we'll get more tax breaks any time soon.

I guess the annual limits of Tax free investment accounts will remain at R33000 for the third year in a row then... ?

And don't forget tax-bracket creep! This one is the silent unnoticed killers that they've been doing for the past few years. I don't know how they're going to manage the Eskom issue - if they bail out Eskom, we get the final ratings downgrade to junk by Moody's. If they don't, Eskom will be bankrupt by April. Things that I think will be strategically omitted from the speech (but really hope he does address): Tax free investment account annual and lifetime limit increases. How they're going to fund free education. How they're going to fund the e-tolls issue.

Ouch ?

Rekt.

If we're going down the route of saying most of the JSE listing have offshore exposure then this whole topic is moot. Your RA and pension is 70% JSE. Your home is 100% RSA (unless you own property offshore, but then you're probably not reading this thread). For most that is the bulk of their wealth and we're not even mentioning any cash and other assets you have locally. Your TFSA being so small by comparison can just as well go 100% offshore. But to each their own: if you are renting and don't have an RA then this all changes.

This whole discussion is academic, of course. Every person's financial situation is different and what suits one person may not suit another. I'm not so sure that I agree with you with regards to the pensions and RAs being all RSA though. Most pensions and RA plans have 30% directly offshore, and the 70% that is left is usually market capped, so your Naspers etc. weigh heavily with quite a lot of indirect offshore exposure, bringing the actual offshore exposure closer 50%.

I like how u think. Exactly what we should do to alert and protect others esp novices in the investment community

Hi there. I'm writing a story on Taste Holdings for Financial Mail. Does anyone on the site still hold shares in the group? Would love to know if any of you plan to follow through on your rights in the latest rights offer.