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The Van Breda murder trial
#31
(04-26-2017, 09:00 AM)Spreadsheet Ranger Wrote: @Carly1803 give us some updates please

(05-03-2017, 11:06 AM)Carly1803 Wrote: That's a pretty gnarly idea. Definitely some movie stuff.

Of course I'd like to believe that he is guilty. But the police is botching this case again so badly, you wouldn't even know what is the truth anymore.

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True true, however we should just blame ourselves for expecting more from SAPS since by now we ought to know better.

Still early days though, I'll remain optimistic for the time being that true justice will be served.

#32
(05-03-2017, 11:43 AM)Purply Wrote: True true, however we should just blame ourselves for expecting more from SAPS since by now we ought to know better.

Still early days though, I'll remain optimistic for the time being that true justice will be served.

We should know better. You are correct. I just wonder why we are the ones heaving to accept that we should know better, when it's SAPS that should know better? We will never be a first world country if we can't even remotely solve a triple homicide. It's such a disappointment.

At the moment I quite like judge Desai. He seems to be viewing the case objectively. We can keep hope that he makes the ruling as fair and as just as he can. He is only human after all.

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#33
I was a bit out with my days of the trial. Yesterday was day four.

Day 5 of the trial and further scrutiny has been placed on the security of the estate.

Advocate Combrink (defense) cross examined Mr Afrika this morning about where the cameras are and in which direction they face. Afrika also says the cameras are fixed, thermal cameras. Apparently there are only 2 thermal cameras? (a bit of confusion for me here)

The defense is in possession of security photos from 2013, which shows great erosion where the river enters the estate. Afrika says these photos are old and security has changed since then, such as double fencing. Afrika says when any parts of the fences are triggered they always check what it was by physically ensuring all is in order and not just driving by.
He paints a good picture of the security.
One perimeter check takes about an hour to an hour and a half.
Afrika says that between 26 and 27 January 2015 there were no activations of the fence.

Combrink then asked Mr Afrika if he knows how to open the kiosk around the energizer. Mr Afrika responded and said he only checks if they had been tampered with, but he is no technician. All the kiosks were closed that night. There were no problems with any of the 22 energizers or he would have been dispatched.

Combrink has the report from the security company of the estate (Thorburn Security) which was collected as evidence. And even though Afrika's colleague confirms there were no alarms, the report of alarm activations said it has gone of three times during his shift. Mr Afrika maintains that he was not dispatched.

And that's it for day 5. The next witness tomorrow is De Zalze Estate Manager.

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#34
Captains Log, Day 5

We are borg, I mean bored :p

Trial is moving at snails pace, not that I was expecting more.

Problem is, people seem to think that having security actually means you'll be safe and that "crooks" are only active at night, meanwhile the "intruders" could have entered the Estate anytime during the day and subsequently also left at any time by simply just driving in and out at say 1pm......

#35
(05-04-2017, 08:49 AM)Purply Wrote: Captains Log, Day 5

We are borg, I mean bored

Trial is moving at snails pace, not that I was expecting more.

Problem is, people seem to think that having security actually means you'll be safe and that "crooks" are only active at night, meanwhile the "intruders" could have entered the Estate anytime during the day and subsequently also left at any time by simply just driving in and out at say 1pm......

This is South Africa, everything moves at a snail's pace.

But no matter what time they came in, if there were intruders, the thing Mr Afrika was emphasizing is not only how well he does his job but how well the security is day and night.

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#36
(05-04-2017, 01:16 PM)Carly1803 Wrote: This is South Africa, everything moves at a snail's pace.

But no matter what time they came in, if there were intruders, the thing Mr Afrika was emphasizing is not only how well he does his job but how well the security is day and night.

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Indeed, that's why the estate only had 24 burglaries in the part 15 years. For me the number is inconsequential, the fact remains people break in regardless of how good you think your security is and that every security system has it's flaws.

#37
(05-04-2017, 01:47 PM)Purply Wrote: Indeed, that's why the estate only had 24 burglaries in the part 15 years. For me the number is inconsequential, the fact remains people break in regardless of how good you think your security is and that every security system has it's flaws.

And this is why these things are luckily not in our hands.
I can have a plethora of opinions but at the end of the day I'm glad I'm not judge Desai who needs to think very critically about the security and the plausibility of other alternatives.

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#38
Day 6 of the trial and the mystery continues. 

Edgar Wyngaard is called to the stand, he is the supervisor who was on duty with Mr Afrika. 

Wyngaard attests to the strict security that is kept, builders who come to work at the estate gets registered by fingerprint, ID and registration details. And if they stay late they need the owner's permission and security needs to be notified. There are strict rules regarding packages and visitors at the estate. 

Wyngaard says there was no conspicuous activity the night of the murders. He checked the cameras and the fences afterwards and all was in order. "It's impossible to get into the estate." The fences are too high and electric, someone could not jump over. 

Judge Desai asked Advocate Combrink to demonstrate to the court how two people got over the fence if they use an insulating material as Combrink asked if this was possible and Wyngaard said no. #sass

Wyngaard echoes Mr Afrika by saying there were no complaints from residents the night of the murders. He also says that persons with an access card can swipe into the estate with visitors and no questions will be asked or a search done. 

There is a report from a security manager about an open kiosk and an unplugged AC Power outlet on the day of the murders.It is said an alarm went off at 01:37 on 27 January 2015 and neither Wyngaard nor Afrika patrolled this. But someone else did. 

The state then said it needs time to look at video footage and other information. The defence objected to this postponement but Judge Desai granted it.

The court will resume again on Monday.

#39
Wow, so 2 years later they still haven't watched all the footage from that night, top notch security my ass :p

#40
(05-05-2017, 10:08 AM)Purply Wrote: Wow, so 2 years later they still haven't watched all the footage from that night, top notch security my ass

Not the security, the state has not.

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#41
Damnit Carly, stop breaking my balls, it's Friday and I've been up since 4am Big Grin

#42
(05-05-2017, 10:54 AM)Purply Wrote: Damnit Carly, stop breaking my balls, it's Friday and I've been up since 4am Big Grin

I apologize, Purply. My mind is in overdrive.

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#43
Day 7 of the trial played out this morning in Cape Town. The effectiveness of the security at the De Zalze estate still receiving a lot of fire from the defence.

It was an exceptionally long day in court so bear with me as I try and recap it for you as accurately as possible.

The day started with witness number 80 on the list. Marcia Rossouw, security manager at De Zalze.

She took over as manager in 2014 and made several improvements whilst working there, such as upgrading the electric fence. She says the additional cameras that were installed was not as a result of the murders.

At the time of the murders, there were optic cameras at all the gates and at other strategic points. There is an optic camera where the river enters the estate, there are also beams and the thermal cameras which have been discussed by Mr Afrika.

There are two security routes, one that happens within the estate and one that runs along the perimeter.

The report from that night shows that all the patrols happened on schedule.

Rossouw said that once the system is triggered someone would need to go out and resolve the issue for it to be deactivated.

The Van Breda home is in the middle of the estate with a 2-kilometre distance from where the river enters the estate to their home. The airfield gate is 1 kilometre away.

Rossouw says when she heard of the incident she requested that the fence is inspected thoroughly for any entry point, and the check the system for any activations and to look at the camera reports.

The four incidents that were reported was followed up on and was apparently a power drop.

There were no discrepancies in any of the 18 cards that were used to enter and exit at the gates (as sometimes homeowners would lend their cards to others)

Rossouw echoes all the previous security witnesses that there were no incidents or anything suspicious that night.

Advocate Botha then questioned Rossouw and said that there would need to be a light on for the cameras to pick up anyone on its footage. Rossouw retorted and said that there were lights with the cameras except for the Eskom gate camera.

Botha asked about the anti-dig by the fence and says that there are various areas that do not have it. Rossouw responded and said that it is still like that.

Judge Desai asked if it would be possible to dig a tunnel underneath. Rossouw said that there would have been evidence of this, no footprints, damage or wires being cut.

Advocate Botha said that he planned on showing the court how rocks can be used to cover up such an entry through the fence. (Whether he means under or literally through, I am not certain)

There is a report that points out various errors in security, especially with the cameras. Spotlights and a security guard were recommended for the fence around where the river enters the estate. Rossouw says that these were not in place in 2015, only an optic camera.

Botha then said that one point while he was visiting the estate there was an unmarked vehicle with a member of the press taking pictures of the home. They had gained entry under the pretence of going to the Klein Zalze restaurant. The bridge from Klein Zalze to the estate did not have access control.

Botha said that on the report there were more than four "alarm ons" and whether Rossouw had seen this. She said she had. At 1:08 there was an alarm activated. Rossouw says fences are activated when they get tested, these get logged as such. But Rossouw also said that she did not check personally that these were indeed fence tests.

The next day the alarms were said to have been a result of the power dip. There are two different alarms, one alerts the controllers and the other caused by the dip in power, and responders would not be sent out then.

Botha then referred to an old attempt at entry into the estate and Rossouw said that those people did not gain entry and that the security was very quick to respond.

The court is adjourned until tomorrow.

#44
Yup, much of the same

#45
(05-09-2017, 07:07 AM)Purply Wrote: Yup, much of the same

At least it means they're throurough. But so far we've seen how many witnesses? About 5? Out of 80 or more. Rossouw was only number 80 in an undefined amount.
I may have gotten in over my head here but I'll keep reporting for you and my own sanity.

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