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The Van Breda murder trial
Day 58......and ending on Day 65 hopefully

I highly doubt it. This has the potential to continue another two weeks.

Ok fair enough, so long as we have a verdict before xmas Big Grin

(11-08-2017, 11:28 AM)Purply Wrote: Ok fair enough, so long as we have a verdict before xmas Big Grin

I can only hope. This has been going on too long.

I apologize for not writing yesterday. I was ill.
Yesterday in court we heard that Henri suffered a seizure last week and was admitted to Constantia mediclinic on Friday and released Sunday night. Henri was diagnosed with Juvenile Myoclonic Epilepsy.

The court is in somewhat of a shambles on who will be next on the stand as the psychologist who would have attested to Henri's reactions to the murders, now may have to alter her report in light of this diagnosis.

Sorry to hear Carly, hope you feel better soon!

I wonder how much they paid that doctor to come up with that diagnosis :/

Well the diagnosis is sticking albeit the neurologist said that this condition is uncommon in adults. A neurologist and the doctor who diagnosed Henri will testify at the end of the month. Advocate Botha asked of an unimpressed Desai for a two week adjournment to prepare for these two witnesses. Desai said he had hoped to finish the trial this week as he wants to get on with his life. Botha said it will not be dragged out. A day or two at most.
The court is adjourned until the 27th of November.

Aw shucks, glad to see we not the only ones that want this trial to be over and done with.

It is day Who Knows of the Henri Van Breda trial. I had the unfortunate privilege of being in court myself again. 

A neurologist, Dr James Butler, testified today and will continue his testimony tomorrow. 
Dr Butler has been in private practice since the 90's and frequently consults with hospitals and clinics. 

He testified at length about seizures and epilepsy. Dr Butler conducted an EEG on Henri. He also admitted him to the hospital for subsequent testing. Dr Butler said the chances of Henri malingering is an absolute no. The tests can't be fooled. 

Dr Butler said that Henri has a history of jerks or twitches and has had two major seizures of which he is aware after consulting with both Henri and his girlfriend. The first seizure he knows of happened around February 2016. The second being the one that happened on the 8th of November 2017. 

The court was shown a video of Henri having a violent jerk whilst in stage 2 sleeping (as was monitored by the EEG) which subsequently woke him. 

Van Breda's girlfriend reported that with the most recent seizure Henri was discussing the court case with her when he abruptly "lost his memory", fell backwards onto the bed, his eyes rolled back and he was shaking. 

After hearing the accounts and having done the tests, Dr Butler said that it is highly likely Henri has Juvenile Myoclonic Epilepsy. 

Desai asked how all this information pertains to the night of the murders? Does this explain the 2 hours and 40 minutes? Do seizures last that long?

Dr Butler said that a major seizure (a grand mal seizure) could have occurred. A grand mal seizure can last minutes. But it's what happens after that could explain what happened. The court was shown slides of someone's brain activity during a seizure and the activity after a grand mal seizure. Afterwards, the activity registers like someone is brain dead. The seizure is followed by a postictal state in which the brain repairs itself after a seizure. This state can last anywhere from 3 minutes to hours, perhaps more depending on the severity of the seizure. The postictal state is often followed by amnesia.

Dr Butler said that in his opinion he would say Henri had a grand mal seizure. In which he also wet his pants. Henri was not aware that this had happened until officers or paramedics pointed it out. The wetting of pants is often seen in people who have seizures. 

Dr Butler was asked if he would comment on what Henri sounded like on the phone call. Dr Butler said from what he heard he would connotate Henri's behaviour to the seizure. The lack of urgency and purpose could still indicate the postictal state. 

The court is adjourned until tomorrow morning. 


*I had an interesting conversation with a man in court this morning who told me that Judge Desai was arrested in 2004 for rape. The woman withdrew the charges without any explanation. The man told me it was because she had been bribed. Having read about the case now it's difficult to tell. But in my mind, Desai's integrity has been compromised. Is this someone who should be ruling over cases?

Pretty much what was expected from the Doc

The tidbit on Desai is somewhat worrying, but then again this is South Africa, can we really expect less?

(11-28-2017, 06:33 AM)Purply Wrote: Pretty much what was expected from the Doc

The tidbit on Desai is somewhat worrying, but then again this is South Africa, can we really expect less?

Probably not and the case is less than conclusive. Leaving it open to speculation.
I also heard the van Breda case is his last before he retires, hence the rush.

Today in court Dr James Butler was back on the stand.

The state was questioning the witness.
Dr Butler said it was possible that the accused had hatched a plan in advance to murder his family but he could not have planned or faked the epileptic seizure.

Desai on the other hand was having none of it. The evidence of said seizure is all based on what Henri has told the doctor. And not on objective evidence.

Dr Butler stood by his opinion that the photos of Henri looking dull and of him not being aware he had wet his pants and of the bruise on his head, but well aware of the other injuries that he had sustained before the maybe seizure would be consistent with someone who had a seizure.

Galloway also pointed out that the internet holds comprehensive coverage of epileptic attacks, which the accused could easily access.

Galloway said a fit is convenient as it leaves no scars.

When Galloway asked how Dr Butler knew that he Henri spent that time lying on the stairs he replied that Henri had told him so.

Galloway said there is no history at all of Henri having seizures.

The court is adjourned until tomorrow.

Why would a man like a mister Butler risk his reputation like this? Feels like a sure fire way to end your career.

(11-28-2017, 08:51 PM)Outlook Wrote: Why would a man like a mister Butler risk his reputation like this? Feels like a sure fire way to end your career.

Being part of any investigation or a case this large is always a risk. I do believe Dr Butler is telling the truth. As he perceives it. We can't blame him for if Henri is screwing with him about the grand mal seizure.

My emotions got in the way, you are right, I would probably have done the same if I was on that stand as an expert.






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