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Introducing InvestSure on EasyEquities
#1
We were fortunate enough to be at the InvestSure launch were EasyEquities introduced an insurance option for individual stocks on their system. We walked through the process and found it incredibly innovative.

The purpose is to protect you from losses arising from deceptive or misleading acts of directors & management.

You will be covered for a 12 month period when you'll have the choice to renew the insurance for another 12 months period etc. They'll pay out the difference between what price you sold at and at what price you bought it at. So you have no capital loss.
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What is Investsure?
Based in Johannesburg, InvestSure is a new insurance product that insures listed shares bought on participating trading platforms, against losses arising out of the deceptive or misleading acts of management of the company.
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#2
Can somebody paste the actual policy wording here? It sounds innovative, no doubt, but why would they take this risk onto themselves for that small a fee? Is there a "lock-in" period?
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#3
Excuse my ignorance, but were they ready for the launch?

https://support.easyequities.co.za/suppo...3000009318

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http://investsure.info/faq.html (no https...who doesn't have https enabled for a business these days?)

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Is it enabled only for certain people?

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So to sum up: I can't find any real information about it on the sites and cannot access the feature. Think I'm missing something.
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#5
(04-17-2018, 07:08 AM)Bandit Wrote: Can somebody paste the actual policy wording here? It sounds innovative, no doubt, but why would they take this risk onto themselves for that small a fee? Is there a "lock-in" period?

Will send it to the discord channel.
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#6
(04-16-2018, 01:48 PM)Platinum Wealth Wrote: We were fortunate enough to be at the InvestSure launch were EasyEquities introduced an insurance option for individual stocks on their system. We walked through the process and found it incredibly innovative.

The purpose is to protect you from losses arising from deceptive or misleading acts of directors & management.

You will be covered for a 12 month period when you'll have the choice to renew the insurance for another 12 months period etc. They'll pay out the difference between what price you sold at and at what price you bought it at. So you have no capital loss.
What is the definition of deceptive and misleading acts?
Would the Resilient meltdown be covered?
The other share is EOH would that be considered a misleading act?

#7
(04-21-2018, 12:04 PM)Ianf Wrote: What is the definition of deceptive and misleading acts?
Would the Resilient meltdown be covered?
The other share is EOH would that be considered a misleading act?

Hi Ianf, my name is Mbulelo- I'm one the co-founders of InvestSure. Firstly, thanks for the questions, it great to have an opportunity to engage with the Platinum Wealth community.

I short both the Resilient Group REITs companies (4 companies) and EOH would have been covered by the product.

The longer answer.
The product is designed specifically to protect investors from the negative effects of information around management fraud and dishonesty coming to light in companies in which they made investments in good faith. Management wrongdoing includes things like:
- Accounting fraud
- Breach of regulation or laws
- Deceptive, misleading or false statements
- Fraud
You've asked about deception which we've defined what we mean by more formally in the policy wording but what it comes down to is management deceiving the public and their shareholders by lying. making false representations, omitting material facts.
In the case of Resilient; they are accused of intentionally manipulating the share price of Resilient and it's 3 related companies in order to artificially prop the share prices. This accusation clearly falls under deception.
In EOH's case I'll assume you are referring to the most recent case, where they were accused of corruption relating to it's public sector business in December 2017. This is clearly an accusation of dishonest practices and would be covered by the product. 

For more information please check out our:
 - Website http://www.investsure.info or,
-  FAQs pages https://investsure.info/faq.html or on the Easy Equities site https://support.easyequities.co.za/suppo...3000009318

#8
(04-17-2018, 07:08 AM)Bandit Wrote: Can somebody paste the actual policy wording here? It sounds innovative, no doubt, but why would they take this risk onto themselves for that small a fee? Is there a "lock-in" period?

Hi Bankdit, Mbulelo here from InvestSure. There are no lock-in periods with this product, when you buy you are covered from the next day for 12 months; and you can cancel you cover at any point for an immediate refund of the unexpired period of your coverage. Glad to hear you find the price point attractive, it was a key objective of ours to be able to offer the product at a rate that doesn't significantly erode investor returns but still offer meaningful cover. 

For more information please check out our FAQs page https://investsure.info/faq.html or on the Easy Equities site https://support.easyequities.co.za/suppo...3000009318

#9
(04-17-2018, 07:15 AM)Bandit Wrote: Excuse my ignorance, but were they ready for the launch?

https://support.easyequities.co.za/suppo...3000009318



http://investsure.info/faq.html (no https...who doesn't have https enabled for a business these days?)

Hi Bandit, apologies for the inconvenience caused. We've sorted out the issues you mentioned here and in other posts; please have another look. We are still in a live testing and have chosen only a few Easy Equities users to grant access too so we can incorporate there feedback before rolling out to all Easy Equities clients. It won't be long now till we launch fully as we've received very positive feedback from our users.

#10
(04-21-2018, 11:14 PM)Mbulelo Wrote: Hi Bandit, apologies for the inconvenience caused. We've sorted out the issues you mentioned here and in other posts; please have another look. We are still in a live testing and have chosen only a few Easy Equities users to grant access too so we can incorporate there feedback before rolling out to all Easy Equities clients. It won't be long now till we launch fully as we've received very positive feedback from our users.

Thanks, although it is frustrating when there is a big launch, photos on Twitter, people going nuts and then it turns out it is only a closed Beta. BUT, I'll survive.

So am I correct in saying that although InvestSure is an altogether different product, it does give me "stop loss" functionality on EE on a pay-as-you-go basis?
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#11
(04-21-2018, 11:01 PM)Mbulelo Wrote: Hi Ianf, my name is Mbulelo- I'm one the co-founders of InvestSure. Firstly, thanks for the questions, it great to have an opportunity to engage with the Platinum Wealth community.

I short both the Resilient Group REITs companies (4 companies) and EOH would have been covered by the product.

The longer answer.
The product is designed specifically to protect investors from the negative effects of information around management fraud and dishonesty coming to light in companies in which they made investments in good faith. Management wrongdoing includes things like:
- Accounting fraud
- Breach of regulation or laws
- Deceptive, misleading or false statements
- Fraud
You've asked about deception which we've defined what we mean by more formally in the policy wording but what it comes down to is management deceiving the public and their shareholders by lying. making false representations, omitting material facts.
In the case of Resilient; they are accused of intentionally manipulating the share price of Resilient and it's 3 related companies in order to artificially prop the share prices. This accusation clearly falls under deception.
In EOH's case I'll assume you are referring to the most recent case, where they were accused of corruption relating to it's public sector business in December 2017. This is clearly an accusation of dishonest practices and would be covered by the product. 

For more information please check out our:
 - Website http://www.investsure.info or,
-  FAQs pages https://investsure.info/faq.html or on the Easy Equities site https://support.easyequities.co.za/suppo...3000009318

That is great that definitions are widely interpreted as Resilient claim there is no deception.
What would happen now if Steinhoff shares are bought and they declare bankruptcy or do you not cover high risk shares? This is an excellent way to protect your capital. 
Do you have any examples of a claim payout and how the payout was calculated?

#12
(04-22-2018, 08:41 AM)Bandit Wrote: Thanks, although it is frustrating when there is a big launch, photos on Twitter, people going nuts and then it turns out it is only a closed Beta. BUT, I'll survive.

So am I correct in saying that although InvestSure is an altogether different product, it does give me "stop loss" functionality on EE on a pay-as-you-go basis?

Thanks for understanding! You are correct in saying it's a altogether different product. It gives you a "stop loss" like feature in that you have a limited downside. A big difference is that the InvestSure product not only responds to a % drop in the share price but there must be news/accusation (even if unproven) that tie the drop to our covered risks of management fraud, dishonesty and corruption. Also unlike a stop loss, the insurance product is not an instruction, you remain in control and have the option to exercise the sale. The InvestSure product is well suited to situations of high volatility or fast drops- where Stop Losses or Limits have been found to not work very well (with people losing way more than they expected based on the exit level they instructed). Unlike Stop Orders, we guarantee an effective exit price no matter the price you sell at giving you piece of mind and keep you in control of the sell decision.

#13
(04-22-2018, 11:47 AM)Ianf Wrote: That is great that definitions are widely interpreted as Resilient claim there is no deception.
What would happen now if Steinhoff shares are bought and they declare bankruptcy or do you not cover high risk shares? This is an excellent way to protect your capital. 
Do you have any examples of a claim payout and how the payout was calculated?
Thanks, one of the first things we realized when we started working on the product is that its value would be greatly eroded if we waited for things to be proven in court before paying claims; and whether proven or not innocent investors often suffer losses anyways. Most companies deny wrongdoing as you'd expect, even Steinhoff denied what was happening when asked for years. 

If the product was on the market before the Steinhoff event and you bought the shares and insured them; any new news on the company that trigger any further collapse of the share price would be covered, and you would be paid out a claim when you decide to sell.

We can take the Seinhoff example assuming you had 10 insured shares that you sold for R20 each:
Share Price at the end of day on the day before the news:         R 55.81
Trgger Price for the insurance (the above less 10%)                  R 50.23
Realised Price (price you sold shares for)                                  R 20
Claim per share                                                                      R 30.23 (R 50.23 - R 20)

So instead of losing R 35.81 (R 55.81 - R 20) you would only lose R 5.58 (R 55.81 - R 20 - R 30.23)

#14
Mbulelo
Thanks for explaining. This will make investing a bit less risky.






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